The main issue, is that I haven’t unset the “joinable” flag, so everybody can create a account. By the way password are sent, spammers doesn’t manage to post stuff in the personnal area.

With 300 users, and only 4 valids, I need to find a way to clean the acl_user folder. Last time I used twill, this works really great, so I decided to use the same stuff for Zope.

Here my little script:

#!/usr/bin/python

LOGIN='foo'
PASSWORD='far'

LOGIN_URL='http://your_server/manage_main'
USER_URL='http://your_server/acl_users/manage_users'
GOOD_USERS = ['jkx','foobar']

import twill

def delUsers():
   twill.commands.go(USER_URL)
   form = twill.commands.showforms()[0]

   usernames = form.possible_items('names:list')
   for u in usernames:
      if u not in GOOD_USERS:
         twill.commands.formvalue(1,'names:list',u)

      twill.commands.showforms()
      twill.commands.submit(3)

def doLogin():
   twill.commands.go(LOGIN_URL)
   forms = twill.commands.showforms()

   twill.commands.formvalue(2,'__ac_name',LOGIN)
   twill.commands.formvalue(2,'__ac_password',PASSWORD)
   twill.commands.submit()

if __name__ =='__main__':
  doLogin()
  delUsers()

This will drop all user account (not the ones in GOOD_USERS) ..

Plone 2.0.5 (python 2.3.4)

Total transferred:      239130 bytes
HTML transferred:       234620 bytes
Requests per second:    5.52 [#/sec] (mean)
Time per request:       181.261 [ms] (mean)
Time per request:       181.261 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests)
Transfer rate:          128.54 [Kbytes/sec] received

Plone 2.1 (python 2.3.5)

Total transferred:      240740 bytes
HTML transferred:       237440 bytes
Requests per second:    3.54 [#/sec] (mean)
Time per request:       282.476 [ms] (mean)
Time per request:       282.476 [ms] (mean, across all concurrent requests)
Transfer rate:          83.19 [Kbytes/sec] received

Grr, here is two point to read:

• The 2.1 version is really slower look at the transfer rate..
• But this is astomish slow

The bench was done on:

• pure zope httpd (no apache or squid frontend)
• without debug enable
• with default HTTPCache and RAMCache enable (default install setting)
• a dual Xeon at 2.6Ghz with 1Go of RAM ! (I know python only use 1 CPU but !!!)

I first think my setup is buggy, but no.. nobody with a good CMS in stock ?

Anyway, as this become usual, (grrr) there is a bunch of projects that try to clone the rails features. The well know python proverb can be used:
Divide to loose

Here ‘s a little list:

Check out the Plone Concept Map to be sure you know what you mean !

– Enjoy the road :)

• Zope alone
• Zope + CMF
• Plone
• Webware + Cheetah or PSP
• Webware + Modeling + ZPT ..

And my conclusions right now is: SQLObject is really a kool SQL Api since you can use it very easily. For the template i really think that ZPT is the best one. Despite XML parsing is really slow, and ZPT performance isn’t really good, you can edit the template without too much pain.

Another great thing, is that i can use this tools in Webware (of course) but in a simple python (mod_python for example) CGI. And SQLObject really feat nicely w/ webware, because it’s thread safe. (I discover severals troubles in Modeling w/ thread)

The next step is to find a good way to build ‘slots’, to have a cross site layout. ZPTPage doesn’t support all METAL tags (macros..) so this isn’t done by default .. and calling a lot of ‘structure’ include is a bad way because this will call the ‘slot’ rendering too much times.

The main key is : Keep it simple.

So i have been hacking a Zope system which is a bit like a CMS and a bit at a blog, but this is not so easy because blog is (by definition) not hierarchical as opposite of CMS.

Despite i managed to do several good things i need to fix this:

• ZODB is hard to tailor ( using session,aq_x and other things really sux )
• Having to rewrite all things like cut/paste/ .. take care about urls etc etc is awfull
• Having to test and test again this so crappy ..

I’m a bit confuse tonight since a lot of work have be done, but now I’m wondering how i will use it without emacs, and need a lot to do again.

I really think that this kind of system should be easy to use, and pybloxmon seems to be fine cause we can use simple tools. but the main lack is that you can’t easily organise it.. for example finding the right stuff on a lot python website is awfull.

Right now it got a lot of questions in my head:

• Why should i use Zope over Webware (despite i pretty like Webware) ?
• Why should i fight with ZODB instead of a good old fashion filesystem or db server ?

And guess what i won’t use Plone :)

Some bugs still remain, i was unable to do cut/paste and there is a bug in guess_contenttype too, but not really a big deal i think.

After looking this a night, the system is really light ( don’t use a couple of CMF products or other things like DC workflow), si it have some limitation but it should be enought to do a good bloging system ( i’m still need to give up about this MT ). but it don’t use reST and this is a bad news.

Another thing that i found usefull is that it use EPoz for html editing and this is pretty kool .